Hi and welcome to the working songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, trying to explain to younger people that South by Southwest

used to be a festival where musicians were cooler than software developers, or else a scrappy

upstart, explaining to your extended family that losing only $5,000 playing South by Southwest

is a bargain for the exposure.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad

excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the fourth Friday of September 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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