there is this level of like mythology surrounding these types of actions and I think people

want to always draw a direct line back to okay well we can explain this by mental illness

because if it is really what he said then why isn't everyone doing right like if we can't say that there's something wrong with him, then we have to say what is wrong with us? I'm Welcome to the Deaf panel.

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So I'm really honored to be joined today by our guest Stephanie Lynn Kaufman, Tim Kulhu.

Stephanie is a disability justice

organizer, an educator, peer supporter, writer, and conflict intervention facilitator.

They are the founding director of Project Letts and their work focuses on building non-carceral

peer-led mental health care independent of the state, providing political education, developing

new knowledge and language around mental distress, reframing misconceptions about madness, and

organizing against and intervening in systems that harm, marginalize, and oppressed, disabled,

and mad individuals.

I have immense respect for Stephanie's work, and I am so glad to finally have them on the show. Stephanie, welcome to the death panel. It's so nice to have you here today. Thank you so much, Beatrice. Really great to be in conversation with you and deep love and respect for your work as well.

I'm really glad that you can join me today. I know that longtime listeners will have heard me shout out your work for years now.

And I really appreciate you coming on in particular today because today we're going to talk

through Aaron Bushnell's self-immolation this past Sunday outside of the Israeli embassy in Washington,

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