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There are constant plans for managing this situation. You know, Oslo, of course, and political plans.

The Rand Corporation had this big plan called the Ark that everybody used to talk about.

There's always been these sort of like

visioning approaches. And I think that that's also part of the question that you're asking,

which is that like, I think the constant project making and visioning exercises are,

even when they're sort of oriented around a possible day after, are just part of how the

occupation or how is really settler colonialism or how great, they're sort of oriented around a possible day after, are just part of how the occupation,

or how is really settler colonialism, or how the capacity for their continued genocidal violence,

like I think that's part of how it works, is by sort of like imagining and pushing further and further away

this time when it'll end.

Yeah. further and further away, this time when it'll end. Welcome to the death panel.

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Karim is the author of the book Palestine is throwing a party and the whole world is

invited, capital and state building in the West Bank, published by Duke University Press in 2021,

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