This won't surprise anybody that knows me, but emotionally I'm pretty flat, which is a good thing

in a crisis. I don't get too crazed out. But my wife is really good at reading emotions and

expressing them. And she's been so helpful to me, I think, in understanding the

palette of emotions. And that's a strength that she has really brought to our relationship. And I'm

so glad for it. I lean into that and benefit from it. I'm John Fuller, along with Aaron and

Greg Smalley, who are passionate about helping couples through their writing

and their speaking and the podcast that they do, crazy little thing called marriage.

This podcast also is something that they pour their time and energy into, and we're so grateful

for them.

We'll hear from Greg and Aaron in just a few minutes, but right now we're going to turn to a clip

featuring focus on the family president, Jim Daly, who spoke with Dr. Kevin Lehman. And Dr. Lehman is so fun, he's so practical.

He's going to help you better understand your spouse and their birth order and how that wiring

really can be a benefit to you. Let's go ahead and listen in. Kevin, you've mentioned this about your wife

being a first-born, you being the last one. Just elaborate a bit on the benefits that you've gained

in your relationship with your wife, putting the shoe on the other foot, in other words.

Well, she's a gift. All of our kids are gift givers. We have five kids. All of them are really good about putting other people first.

She has taught me to be acutely aware of that.

I've learned as a person, as a man.

When someone has done something nice, I believe in the power of the written note.

And that comes from the book, The Way of the Shepherd, one of my leadership note. And that comes from the book,

The Way of the Shepherd,

one of my leadership books.

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