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listening. Terms apply. Hi, this is Laura Vander Kim. I'm a mother of four, an author,

journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Unger. I'm a mother of three, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Unger.

I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger on the side.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families.

Welcome to Best of Both worlds.

Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

From figuring out child care to mapping out long-term career goals, we want you to get the most out of life.

Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

This is Laura.

This is episode 94.

We're talking about leaning in and leaning out, those wonderful phrases that seem to have a lot of

currency for people in terms of their life choices. But Sarah, this is a very busy time for you

as you were sort of leaning into your work life. Talk about your changing role and what you're up to

now.

Yeah, I guess I am leaning in right now a little bit.

I spoke previously on an episode about, or maybe it hasn't aired yet, so sorry for that if it's out of order, but I am transitioning to program director in June, and I'm still

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