If you have a toxic culture, you could be working four hours a day and be miserable.

You feel you're not treated with respect. You feel you can't speak up, you can't express yourself.

And that's when we burn out.

You have to create a culture of belonging.

And leaders have to become better listeners. We have to be more empathetic.

We have to be more understanding.

I think hard work is a given.

What is being questioned now is not identifying with your work.

There is nothing worth doing that does not involve hard work.

But it also involves well-being, it involves health, it involves relationships,

it involves time to wander and find joy.

And in fact, here is the paradox. That is going to make us better at work.

That was Ariana Huffington, founder of Thrive Global and Huffington Post.

And before that, Padma Warrior, founder of Fable and former Chief Strategy Officer at Cisco,

speaking on stage at the Masters of Scale Summit in a session called Leading in an Age of Burnout.

I'm Bob Safian, former editor of Fast Company, founder of the Flux Group

and host of Masters of Scale Rapid Response.

I wanted to share my conversation with Ariana and Padma

because as new tech like AI disrupts everything, the burden on each of us

to stay up to speed to get a step ahead gets more and more intense.

How we address the inevitable stress that comes with high performance

is arguably leadership's most important role,

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