Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, changing the tense

of one word in someone else's song and then demanding co-writing credit or else a scrappy

upstart, ghost writing a song for a tick tock star. This is your show because ultimately

it is what every writer seeks most, an iron clad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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