Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep, on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, writing a vicious email to your day-to-day manager

about the subpar catering at the amphitheater, or else a scrappy upstart, begging the promoter

for more than a $10 dinner buyout.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the second Friday of May 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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