Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, changing the tense of one word in someone else's song,

and then demanding co-writing credit, or else a scrappy upstart, ghostwriting a song for a TikTok star.

This is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most,

an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of May, 23, and I thank you for joining us.

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