Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. I'm John Batser with my colleague and friend Gregory Coppley of Defense and Foreign Affairs

Law Fair, understood as using the apparatus of the state in order to, yes, what is your goal? the ill is now on alert to be arrested, he says.

Two senior officers in the military now retired

an Air Force and an Army, I believe,

have given testimony revealed for the first time that they say Bolsonaro was plotting a coup before the election in 22.

They say that the January 8th episode where young people in t-shirts crowded around an empty legislative

building in Brasilia was part of that coup plan in some fashion it's all quite

fantastic I don't have all the details but

Bolsonaro says he expects to be elected to be arrested he's already been

disenfranchised to run again Lula de Silva the president of the country for the third time, is I'll clearly to benefit from

Bolson Arrow being detained.

Gregory, I give this example because it's more stark than the version I could give to do with the

United States right now but you make the point in your essay that law fair is

everywhere that it's being practiced on all the democracies is that correct? Yes to one degree or

another but clearly the situation in Brazil with Lula de Silver working in this

fashion it was no surprise because that was his activity

until he was basically outmanovered when he lost office the last time by Bolsonaro. But it's happening there, it's happening, as you say, very, very much in the United States. And you look at the Lula moves against Bolsonaro now it has almost

embarrassing similarities to the legal claims being made in the United States against the former president to stop

him running again.

And the bottom line is that what we're seeing is lawfare is just one aspect of the collapse of democracy, not only

throughout the West, but throughout those countries which followed the West into this iteration of democracy which arose over the last

200 and 250 years or so and bearing in mind that all forms of civilization and governance have

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