Hi, I'm Zivie Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast.

Moms don't have time to read books. Thanks so much for listening to my podcast. If you like what you hear,

please follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens and also at Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. Thanks so much for listening. Enjoy it. Today's sponsor is Allie Upe. We all know how important moms are for our kids. But did you know that one of the biggest influences on a girl's confidence and self-esteem is her dad? So if her dad says she's smart or fearless at sports or she can do anything she puts her mind to,

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Laura Munson is the author of Willis Grove, her debut novel.

She's also the author of This Is Not the Story

You Think It Is, a season of unlikely happiness, which is a memoir based on her New York Times

Modern Love essay, which was so popular, it actually crashed to the New York Times website. How about

that? She founded a writing retreat in Montana called the Haven Writing Program, and I hope you enjoy our conversation. I sure did.

Laura, thanks so much for coming on moms. Don't have time to read books. It is my pleasure to be here, Zippy. Thank you so much for

inspiring people to read books and support their local bookstores, and thank you for supporting

authors. My pleasure. And if anybody, by the way, who's listening wants to see us live, they can go

to our IGTV interview, which is on my IGTV channel. They could watch our little interview

that we did a few weeks ago. Just a shouting out to that. Anyway, so your latest book is called

Willis Grove, and on the cover it says, four women one week, one question, which is like, oh my gosh,

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