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Hello and welcome to Copy How Shots. I'm James Heal and I'm joined today by Katie Bals and

Fraser Nelson. Our Katie, one of the big stories of the weekend is the route that's broken out

over Labour's policy on the two-child benefit cap. Tell us about what's going on here.

So this is another Kirsta Mahita and some are disputing this as a U-turn and I said it's

confirming what their hints at the policy would be. But ultimately Kirsta Mahita gave an

interview on Sunday to Laura Cunesberg in which she asked him whether a Labour government would

keep the two-child benefits cap and he replied that he was not changing that policy as

things stand. Ultimately suggests it's a surgery to the economic situation.

To cancel out that policy to axe the cap is expected to cost just a little over £1 billion.

And I think the reason it's striking is because you don't have to look far to see things that

members of the Shadow Cabin have recently said about how awful this Tory policy is.

So the current work on pensions, the Secretary of John Lashworth, has been very clear that he

thinks this policy is approaching evil. The idea that this policy helps move people into work

is completely offensive nonsense. But what's more than, which I think has been less noticed,

is his predecessor in the role of John Reynolds. And he spoke at the Labour conference in 2021

when of course Kirsta Mahita and said that it was part of Labour's plan. He said under Labour's

plan, scrapping the five-week wait, ending the benefit cap and binning the two-child limit.

It would mean that half of the money and few people would be in poverty right now.

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