Kori Schake on What the Heck is Going On at the Pentagon

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🗓️ 13 November 2020

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Kori Schake is a long-time Pentagon watcher; she is a former Defense Department, State Department and National Security Council official; and she leads the foreign policy and defense policy team at the American Enterprise Institute. She is also the author of an article in The Atlantic this week about the latest mishegoss at the Pentagon—a decapitating strike against the military civilian leadership of the United States by the president. She joined Benjamin Wittes to talk through possible explanations of why the president is firing all the leaders of the Department of Defense. Is this a grand plan to do something terrible in the last two months of his presidency, or is this just flailing narcissism? And even if it's the latter, what harm could it do?

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:34.0	One of the things that the administration does extremely poorly is explain why they're
0:39.2	doing things.
0:41.1	That would have calmed a lot of this anxiety and stamped down on the rumors from which
0:48.5	I conclude that the administration is actually quite happy to have wild swirling rumors
0:54.9	which is completely irresponsible for a commander in chief to do during a presidential transition.
1:03.2	I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast November 13th, 2020.
1:10.0	Corey Shaki is a longtime Pentagon watcher.
1:14.0	She is a former Defense Department, State Department and National Security Council official
1:20.3	and she leads the foreign policy and defense policy team at the American Enterprise Institute.
1:27.8	She is also the author of an article in the Atlantic this week about the latest, I don't
1:34.7	know what to call it, Misha Goss at the Pentagon, a decapitation strike against the military
1:41.4	civilian leadership of the United States by the president of the United States.
1:47.4	She tries to make sense of it all and I thought it was the subject that needed to be talked
1:53.5	about on the LawFair podcast today.
1:55.6	So I asked Corey to join me in the virtual jungle studio to walk through it all.
2:02.0	Why is the president firing all the leaders of the Department of Defense?
2:08.3	Is this a grand plan to do something terrible in the last two months of his campaign or
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