Hello and welcome back to another episode of Chasing Excellence. My name is Patrick

Cummings. Every week here on the show we dedicate some time to exploring how we

can live a life of better health and increased fulfillment. Ben and I thank you

for joining us this week on the show. We have a fantastic interview with Steven

Kotler. Steven's been on the show before. He's the author of a new book called

Nar Country in addition to writing multiple New York Times best sellers

including the art of Impossible which is one of my favorite books. Steven is the

director of the flow research collective and is an expert on human

performance. We start our conversation with an overview of what flow is and why it

matters and then we get into a really cool chat about what Steven calls and what

he writes about in Nar Country. Peak performance aging before we get into the

conversation. If you are not yet subscribed or following the show wherever you're

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All right without further ado here is our conversation with Steven Kotler.

Steven thank you so much for coming back onto the show. You've got a new book on

Nar Country. RelicSett had talked about it. I wanted to start or we wanted to

start really big picture to get. Make sure our listeners are on the right page.

You work in many of your books are on the subject of flow and we want to make

sure people understand what that is what that means and more importantly why

it's so important not only to your work not only to this new book but to our

lives and so can you just kind of lay the framework of what flow is and make

sure we're all using the same words to mean the same thing. Yeah let's start with

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