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One set of rules that are going to be very unique to the gravel burn is that what happens if there's an elephant on the roots as you go ahead to Chevroari and you're racing, okay?

I mean, it's easy if the whole race stops.

But what happens if, you know,

someone racing for podium is in fifth position

and the elephant comes in between

in front of that rider?

Anyway, so those are the sort of rules

that we've got to include and think about

for the

Gravelburn tune.

Hello, everyone.

Welcome back to the show.

Kevin Vermeck today, the founder of Cape Epic and now the founder of Gravelburn.

I knew Kevin would have some incredible stories from the early years of the Cape Epic and even,

you know, getting gravel burn off the ground.

But he even exceeded my expectations.

I don't know much about promoting events, launching events, what it's like to run an event.

But I've gone to many, many events at this point,

of course, all over the world. And Gravelburn just absolutely knocked my socks off. And I wanted to

kind of peel back the layers as to how you put on an event that's so professional, so buttoned up,

so well funded, and just kind of dots all the eyes and crosses

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