Hey, everybody. I got a bunch of notes for you. So just really quick on today's show, we are taping this as Donald Trump is giving a very sleepy, ambient-esque speech to our generals. I will have much more on that on the next level, which is coming out on Tuesday this week. I'm traveling tomorrow, so we need to move that around. So the next level pod will be in your feeds tonight,uesday night so go ahead and check that out we've got a bunch to discuss including jvL's newsletter

about how we are past the worst case scenario a very a very typical jvL take which we're going to

chew over on the next level on this show i've got a double header for you, David Jolly

in the first segment, Van Lathen and the second. Just a quick peek behind the corner about how I'm trying to do this. I understand a lot of you all. This is like your daily news show. So I want to cover the news of the day. I also want to give candidates who are doing interesting things and opportunity to come on and talk about it. You can support David Jolly. By the way,

David Jolly.com if you like what you hear in segment one. And I also want to have like interesting conversations, you know, and we're trying to do all that stuff for you. And I'm juggling it. So I'm doing my best. I'll take your feedback in the comments on how well I'm doing. But Van is just a

really thoughtful guy. He's one of those guys. I wanted to have a drink with him a couple of months ago and it was supposed to be a 30-minute drink. We were together for three hours. He's just got like a really interesting insight and he texted me about the combo that I had with Ezra Klein. And he said, he goes, man, I want to go deep with you on empathy and dehumanization. And I want to be able to have those

conversations here too. So if you're... said he goes man I want to go deep with you on empathy and dehumanization and I want to be able to have

those conversations here too so if you want if that's something that interests you you can you can pop

ahead to van and segment two of this show and and that goes a little long and that's why when you

look at your pod feed right now this is like a seven hour podcast instead of the so of the normal

length lastly we still got tickets for the DC show. Sarah McBride is going to be there with us. It isn't just going to be me and Sarah and JV. We're bringing on some of our other Bullwark fan. It's going to be a fun show. We had such a great time in Canada. No singing from me in D.C. But it'll be worth your time. go to the borg.com slash events, borg.com slash events to get your tickets right now for Washington, D.C.

All right. Up next, my friends, David Jolly and Van Lath Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome a former member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Back then he's a Republican.

Now he's a Democratic candidate for governor of Florida.

My former Nicole Wallace co-panelist, it's David Jolly. What's going on, man? Good to be with you, Tim. Great to be with you. Good to be back in whatever this is kind of world. I've been in the governor's race for four or five months. I've missed it. You can't have missed it too much. You get to be out there with the people. How's life out there with the people? you know, it's a little different than being in our holes, you know, looking at the camera.

What are you noticing?

What? good to be out there with the people. How's life out there with the people? You know, it's a little different than being in our holes, you know, looking at the camera. What are you noticing out there? You know, Tim, it is fascinating. You name dropped Nicole. I'll tell you something she told me when I was at the table with her, maybe a month after having gotten in the race. And I was sharing with her a little bit of a different perspective, just reflecting on my time at MSNBC and a different perspective on the ground running for governor.

And you realize kind of how the issues that we talk about every day get distilled differently in a lot of different communities, right?

Some of the some of the information isn't digested at all.

The finer points of what does it

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