Hi, everybody, Ben Parker from The Bullwork. You may have seen this enormous, deeply reported,

really interesting piece we posted, an article we posted on the Bullwork.com, all about how the FBI

spent a generation relearning how to catch spies, one of their primary jobs in the United States,

and then came Cash Patel. And I'm so excited that Derek Owen

and Ross Schneiderman are here. They are the people who dug deep in this story, talked to the

people involved, wrote the whole history, found out what's going on, why we should all be

pretty alarmed about it. And they're here to walk us through it. So guys, we're going to do a deep

dive. It's going to do a deep dive.

It's going to be real spy stuff and spy hunting stuff.

So to start out, let's just set the basics, like top level.

The FBI spent 20 years, according to the story you guys tell on this piece, doing what?

A lot of this comes right after 9-11, in the aftermath of 9-11, where there was obviously,

you know, I think there's been a lot of reporting, a lot of ink spilled about the changes in counterterrorism and, you know, all of that. What's, what's kind of less reported is about

what's what happened in counterintelligence, which is, you know, just as important. And there was a lot of

stuff happening there. And it was coming out of the Louis Free years where there had a lot of

issues, a lot of dysfunction, they've been trying to solve. And moving, essentially kind of big

picture, the Bureau was really trying to solve and moving essentially kind of big picture the bureau was

really trying to move from a sort of reactive stance to espionage so you know finding spies that are

already there and you know figure out what they're doing and arresting them to a more proactive

of okay we've got all these spies coming in. We need to find out what they're looking

for. We need to set up trip wires. We need to set up these proactive means to deter them,

to disrupt them before they even get going as much as possible. And this is a response.

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