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here, joined again by Ryan Goodman, Professor Vlad at NYU, co-editor of the invaluable website,

Just Security. And we're going to discuss the Epstein case today, which we've both been following.

Not exactly our natural, I guess, in your, not what you specialized in over the years and decades

in terms of international human rights law and national security law, but important.

So, and you've given it quite a lot of attention and have some very good resources actually on your website for

timeline and so forth on it. So anyway, Ryan, thanks for, thanks for joining me again here.

My pleasure, looking forward to the conversation.

And just to be clear, it's since things could change, this is midday on Sunday, December 28th.

So I thought we could discuss what we've learned. It's amazing. It's only nine days since they began the release.

It feels like it's been a kind of a long time a week ago Friday. And what we've learned from the documents we've seen, what we,

and then what we might learn, but also what we've learned about how DOJ is handling all this.

So what have we learned? What surprised you?

So I guess what surprised me is how little we've learned over nine days,

that we were supposed to have had all the documents at once.

That's what the law required.

Right.

And I guess, and we'll talk a little bit,

I guess my surprise is also the way in which DOJ is handling this in some respects

and Congress in response to it.

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