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The Next Big Idea

Kari Leibowitz Loves Winter (And You Can Too)

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In our divided nation, there's one thing many of us seem to agree on: winter sucks. A recent study found that nearly half of Americans would skip winter if they could. Yet not everyone dreads the cold months. Psychologist Kari Leibowitz has spent years studying these winter-lovers, and she's arrived at a surprising truth: people who thrive this time of year aren't just born that way — they've learned to see the season differently. So can you. (This episode first aired in January 2025.) Sponsored By: Aura Frames - Get $35 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames by using promo code IDEA at auraframes.com  GoDaddy - Get a domain and professional email plan for just $0.99/month at Godaddy.com/GDNOW

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I was out to dinner with a friend the other night, and he told me something that clearly

0:03.7

had him shaken.

0:05.4

He leaned in, this real look at distress on his face, and he said, I'm wearing long underwear.

0:13.5

He went on to complain, it gets cold in November, and it stays cold until April.

0:19.1

That's six months of winter, which is too many months.

0:23.0

I can't blame him. I am not a natural winter lover. But I've changed my tune a little bit,

0:27.9

thanks to a conversation I had last year on the show with social psychologist Carrie Leibowitz.

0:32.6

Her book, How to Winter, changed how I think about these cold, dark months. And friends who have

0:37.3

listened to this episode say it's done the same for them. If you dread this time of you, how to winter changed how I think about these cold, dark months, and friends who have listened

0:37.6

to this episode say it's done the same for them.

0:40.5

If you dread this time of year when the days are nasty, brutish, and short, this one's

0:45.3

for you.

0:49.8

Welcome to the Interactive Response System from the National Weather Service, Southern New England office located in Norton, Massachusetts.

1:01.6

For the latest metropolitan area forecasts, please press one.

1:05.5

Until recently, I was not someone who paid a lot of attention to weather forecasts, because I spent most of the last decade living in Los Angeles,

1:14.6

a city that is known the world over for its relentless sunshine.

1:19.6

But a few months ago, my wife and I moved to New England.

1:25.6

Now I obsessively checked the forecast the way a day trader checks the markets.

1:31.1

Today, sunny.

1:33.0

High's around 30.

1:34.6

Tonight, mostly clear.

1:37.0

Low is around 14.

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