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Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Julia Gets Wise with Pam Grier

Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Lemonada Media

Comedy

4.710.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

This week, Julia sits down with 76-year-old trailblazing actress Pam Grier, Hollywood's first female action star. Pam opens up about the childhood injury that left her with a stutter, and how a giant draft horse healed her. She reflects on channeling her mother's quiet strength into the iconic titular character Coffy, gets candid about her Stage 4 cervical cancer diagnosis, and shares thoughts on the unexpected pleasures of aging you did not see coming. Plus, Julia tries to explain karaoke to her 92-year-old mom Judy.  Follow Wiser Than Me on Instagram and TikTok @wiserthanme and on Facebook at facebook.com/wiserthanmepodcast. Find us on Substack at wiserthanme.substack.com. Pre-order the latest book from Julia’s mom Judy Bowles here: https://finishinglinepress.com/product/they-spoke-of-the-river-by-judith-bowles/  Find out more about other shows on our network at @lemonadamedia on all social platforms. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today by hitting 'Subscribe' on Apple Podcasts or lemonadapremium.com for any other app. For exclusive discount codes and more information about our sponsors, visit https://lemonadamedia.com/sponsors/.  For additional resources, information, and a transcript of the episode, visit lemonadamedia.com.

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0:00.0

So I got to play Contessa Valentina

0:10.6

in the Marvel Comics universe.

0:15.1

That name still makes me laugh.

0:18.1

I first appear in the post-credits Black Widow, and then in Black Panther,

0:24.0

Wakanda, forever, and then I'm the bad guy in Thunderbolts. And I have to say, the whole thing,

0:29.7

it was just a blast. In the original Thunderbolts script, there's this scene where my character

0:36.4

really beats the crap out of a guy and takes

0:39.3

his walkie-talkie and screams, ceasefire, ceasefire. And I told Jake Schreier, the director,

0:46.4

that I wanted to do my own stunts for that scene. And he was like, sure, okay, great.

0:53.1

And you have to understand, Marvel had this huge stunt facility in Atlanta.

0:58.9

Like it was like a massive gymnasium.

1:02.7

And when I walked in, Lewis Pullman was getting levitated on wires over here.

1:08.9

And Florence Pugh was getting crushed by fake rocks over there and stuff.

1:14.4

And, I mean, it was just so Hollywood.

1:16.5

It was so fabulous.

1:19.3

And my fight, which was maybe about 15 or 12 seconds long, turned out to be kind of complicated.

1:26.5

And it was all choreographed to beats.

1:29.9

Like, one, grab a gun, two, elbow to face, three, spin and kneel and four, leap up and

1:37.7

scream, ceasefire, ceasefire. You know, it was like very choreographed and really broken down.

1:44.1

And after a couple of hours of rehearsing, I was so drenched, and the stunt guys were drenched,

1:50.8

and we routineed it, and we rehearsed where the camera would be, and we altered the sequence,

1:56.5

and we did all this choreography.

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