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Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Julia Gets Wise with Governor Janet Mills

Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Lemonada Media

Comedy

4.710.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

This week, Julia sits down with 78-year-old Janet Mills, Maine's first female governor, first female DA, and first female AG in the state's history. Governor Mills, who recently suspended her Senate campaign, takes Julia behind the scenes of that legendary White House moment when she looked Trump in the eye, said "see you in court," and won. Julia also learns how Janet navigated the ups and downs of becoming a stepmom to five young girls, and what her Republican family said when she became a Democrat. Plus Julia and her 92-year-old mom Judy talk about the broad appeal of Mary Oliver and Judy's own journey to becoming a Democrat. Follow Wiser Than Me on Instagram and TikTok @wiserthanme and on Facebook at facebook.com/wiserthanmepodcast. Find us on Substack at wiserthanme.substack.com. Keep up with Janet Mills @governorjanetmills on Instagram. Pre-order the latest book from Julia’s mom Judy Bowles here: https://finishinglinepress.com/product/they-spoke-of-the-river-by-judith-bowles/   Find out more about other shows on our network at @lemonadamedia on all social platforms. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our show and get bonus content. Subscribe today by hitting 'Subscribe' on Apple Podcasts or lemonadapremium.com for any other app. For exclusive discount codes and more information about our sponsors, visit https://lemonadamedia.com/sponsors/.  For additional resources, information, and a transcript of the episode, visit lemonadamedia.com.

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0:00.0

Lemonado

0:02.8

Dear listeners, before we get into today's episode,

0:09.9

I want you to know it includes a conversation about domestic violence.

0:13.5

Please take care.

0:14.6

If you or someone you know need support, text begin to 88788 to reach the National Domestic Violence Hotline.

0:26.5

So occasionally, I'll get completely sucked into a show on what we used to call TV.

0:34.4

And, you know, often it's a guilty pleasure, which is perfect when I just want to veg out after a busy day.

0:41.6

But there is one show that I just cannot get enough of these days.

0:47.4

Have you seen Love on the Spectrum?

0:50.2

If you haven't, you're in for a real treat.

0:53.1

The simplest explanation is this.

0:55.7

It's a reality dating show that follows young people on the autism spectrum as they navigate dating and relationships.

1:03.9

It started as an Australian series, and now it has a U.S. version that is a big, huge hit on Netflix. You know, most dating shows, most reality

1:14.5

shows are all about drama and caddiness and vulgarity and bad behavior is really rewarded

1:22.4

and discourse is, well, it's not discourse at all. I honestly, I can't stand most of them. But this show is the

1:31.6

opposite. It's warm and earnest. And more than anything, it's kind. It was co-created and is

1:40.2

directed by an Australian guy named Kean O'Cleary. Though I understand some of the criticism of the show, it can be manipulative.

1:48.0

The music is too bouncy and the voiceover is kind of infantilizing.

1:52.2

But I can't help but love it because of the show's unfailing kindness.

1:57.7

If you tune in to learn about individuals with autism, you certainly will do that. And that's

2:02.6

valuable, I think, especially if you don't have a personal relationship with somebody on the

2:07.1

spectrum. But pretty quickly, it becomes more about how honest and direct these people are in

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