Judging the Supreme Court
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🗓️ 20 July 2023
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
The Senate Judiciary Committee is considering a code of ethics for the Supreme Court—but Chief Justice John Roberts doesn’t believe they have the right to impose one.
But with the Court’s legitimacy in question - and its popularity down the tubes - who should hold the Justices accountable?
Guest: Judge Jeremy Fogel, executive director of the Berkeley Judicial Institute.
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| 0:00.0 | When I heard the Senate was meeting to consider new Supreme Court ethical rules today, I knew |
| 0:11.4 | exactly who I wanted to speak with. |
| 0:13.7 | Jeremy Fogel. |
| 0:15.5 | That is, Judge Jeremy Fogel. |
| 0:18.4 | He's retired now, but still. |
| 0:20.3 | I mean, I described myself as an ethics geek. |
| 0:26.4 | My first committee work, when I was a state court judge, a young state court judge |
| 0:31.4 | at California in the 1980s, my first committee assignment was to be on the state's judicial |
| 0:37.5 | ethics committee, and I became the chair of that committee. |
| 0:42.9 | That was just a start. |
| 0:44.6 | A few years later, Fogel took over a committee that reviewed Judge's financial disclosure |
| 0:49.2 | forms. |
| 0:50.8 | After retiring from the bench, he made a career educating judges about their ethical obligations. |
| 0:56.8 | What I'm saying is, when it comes to judicial ethics, he's the guy. |
| 1:05.0 | As you can imagine, Judge Fogel has watched with increasing horror over the last year, |
| 1:10.9 | as Supreme Court justices ensnared themselves in one ethical scandal after another, accepting |
| 1:16.7 | free plane rides and boat trips, getting their government staff to sell their books. |
| 1:22.4 | He can't help comparing it with his own experience as a judge. |
| 1:26.3 | Like this one time, when he was working in federal court, Judge Fogel's teenage son had |
| 1:30.6 | gotten pretty close with a rich classmate, like private plane rich. |
| 1:36.3 | One of this kid's parents was the CEO of a big company. |
| 1:39.5 | Anyway, his son gets invited on a ski vacation with his family. |
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