The Indefensible Defense Bill
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🗓️ 19 July 2023
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Even with Congress famously gridlocked, it reliably passes the National Defense Authorization Act. But this year, hardline conservative Republicans in the House of Representatives added amendment after amendment that were less concerned with national defense and more in line with their own culture war grievances.
How can a government function when even the simple things become impossible?
Guest: Melanie Zanona, Capitol Hill reporter at CNN
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| 0:00.0 | Every year, you can pretty much set your clock by the National Defense Authorization Act. |
| 0:13.5 | It is a huge piece of legislation, nearly a trillion dollars worth. |
| 0:19.0 | But it's also reliable. |
| 0:21.0 | Like a July 4th parade, this bill is going to make its way through Congress, no matter |
| 0:25.4 | who's running things. |
| 0:27.2 | A lot of the time, it gets named after someone, like a battleship. |
| 0:31.7 | In 2018, it was the John McCain Defense Authorization Act. |
| 0:35.6 | Last year, retiring Senator James Inhoff got the honor. |
| 0:39.6 | What I'm saying is, usually, you and I would not be talking about the Defense Authorization |
| 0:45.0 | Act, or as Melanie Zanona at CNN puts it. |
| 0:48.6 | Because it is such a big bill and it's so important. |
| 0:52.1 | But it's usually not that controversial or spicy. |
| 0:55.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:56.1 | When I read about this bill, it seemed like it had the potential to be the definition |
| 1:02.4 | of a messaging bill. |
| 1:04.8 | Just because it doesn't appropriate money, it offers a roadmap for how to spend money |
| 1:09.9 | that gets appropriated. |
| 1:11.1 | It's like an invitation for big thoughts. |
| 1:14.8 | Am I reading that right? |
| 1:17.5 | You're absolutely right. |
| 1:18.5 | There's a difference between a spending bill and an authorization bill. |
| 1:22.7 | So you can kind of think about it like a credit card, like this is going to authorize |
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