Joscha Bach "Bootstrapping a GODLIKE Mind"
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🗓️ 17 March 2026
⏱️ 97 minutes
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Summary
Can machines actually think, or are we simply asking the wrong question? Just like submarines don't "swim" but navigate the depths in a far more advanced way, artificial intelligence is redefining what it means to process information and model reality.
In this mind-bending episode, we dive deep into the philosophy of mind, the architecture of consciousness, and the future of human (and non-human) existence. We explore the boundaries of artificial intelligence, the evolution of biological hardware, and whether suffering is just a line of code that can be rewritten. If you've ever questioned the nature of reality, the limits of human intelligence, or our place in the cosmos, this conversation will completely alter your perspective.
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| 0:00.0 | We really have to think about what is the kind of artificial intelligence we want to build for our children. |
| 0:04.5 | Suffering is not created by the universe. It's created inside of your own mind. |
| 0:09.5 | The reason why our body gives compute credits to our mind is because our mind is supposed to solve the organism's problems. |
| 0:18.0 | The question of whether machines can think is about as meaningless as the |
| 0:23.5 | question of whether you boats can swim. Computers are already in the same ballpark as the |
| 0:28.9 | perceptual apparatus of our brains. First of all, thank you so much for being here. An absolute |
| 0:35.1 | honor and joy. We're absolutely very, very excited. So thank |
| 0:39.1 | you. I guess I wanted to start with this because I feel like you're the perfect person to help |
| 0:45.0 | us get some clarity on this. One of the, there's a lot of questions online that kind of split people |
| 0:50.5 | into tribes, whether it's a diet, religion, politics. But one thing that I'm realizing is there's a new one, and that is this idea of, like, |
| 0:57.9 | can machines think? |
| 1:00.2 | Some people kind of violently oppose that. |
| 1:02.1 | Some people are on board. |
| 1:04.4 | Can you help us get into any insight into can machines think? |
| 1:09.9 | I think we need to start with the question, what is thinking? |
| 1:14.6 | Right. |
| 1:15.6 | It's a quite famous citation. |
| 1:17.6 | I hope I missed, don't miss Eddilus, I think it was by Dykstra. |
| 1:21.6 | And it was the question of whether machines can think is about as meaningless as the question |
| 1:29.8 | of whether U-boats can swim. |
| 1:34.0 | And some people interpret this as meaning that what the U-boats are doing is something that |
| 1:39.2 | is too mechanical to be compared to the real swimming that organic fish are doing and so on. |
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