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Hello and welcome to the Test Match Special podcast with me, Stephen Finn.

It's been nearly six months since Dross Butler stepped down as England's whiteball captain.

He led the team to victory in the T20 World

Cup in 2022, making England the first side to hold both whiteball world titles. But that was

followed by disappointments at the 50 over World Cup the following year and this year's

champion's trophy. I spoke to him about his reflections on being whiteball captain, what he thinks

of his time in test cricket and his excitement

at playing in this year's 100.

The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.

I want to start right at the beginning though of your career and the way that you play,

like how individualistic it is.

Like how did you learn that in an era when it wasn't

that common to play as you do yeah i think um to be honest right from the start i've always been

drawn to players who did it a bit differently so um adam gilchrist was initial you know as a wicket

keeper batsman his style was quite different to the the at the time, so I was really drawn to that.

And then someone like Kevin Peterson, I loved when the way he came into English cricket and was un-English, basically, but always been drawn to those type of players, whether it's cricket or other sports.

So I wanted to try and emulate that, try things try things do things differently and I think I was quite lucky

When I got onto the Somerset Academy Jason Kerr who's now the head coach at Somerset

We'd almost start sessions with a bit of a free-go at stuff like you can do whatever you want try things out half an hour of and that really suited me

you know about left-handed or try different shots and stuff like that and that's sort of

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