We live in a productivity culture and like a culture where like one of the

only ways that like we can argue for like our own existence or like we can

argue like our value of ourselves is through the work we create which I think is

fundamentally flawed but like it is something that we can't escape from the

TED Audio Collective this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman. For 17

years Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative

people about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're

thinking about and working on. On this episode graphic novelist and writer Johnny

Sun talks about his unusual range of interests and about how Twitter has

helped him creatively. There is also a real sense of joy and community in being

more of myself online. Hey listener, a quick favor, we are conducting an

audience survey and we'd be really grateful if you could take just a few

minutes to respond. Please visit survey.prx.org slash Design Matters to take the

survey today. That's survey.prx.org slash Design Matters. Thanks. Here are a few

things to know about Johnny Sun. Johnny is spelled without an age. He's Canadian.

He has a master's degree in architecture and he's a doctoral candidate at MIT.

But that's not all, not even close. In 2017 he published an illustrated novel

called Everyone's an Alien when you're an alien too. Then he illustrated a

book written by Lin-Manuel Miranda of Hamilton fame. In 2018 he collaborated on an

interactive multimedia installation titled The Laughing Room. And finally he

just released a brand new book Goodbye Again, essays, reflections and

illustrations which we're going to talk all about today. Johnny Sun welcome to

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