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This is Design Matters with Debbie Melman from Design Observer.com.

This year is the 10th anniversary of the podcast, 10 years of designers and other creative types talking about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Milman talks with author

and entrepreneur Jonathan Fields about his previous careers as a lawyer and a personal trainer

and about The Good Life. A Good Life is not a place at which you arrive. It's a lens through it you

see and create a world. Here's Debbie Milman. The idea of the good life has been around for a long time.

It goes all the way back to Aristotle, who argued that the good life comes from moderation

and other good habits, along with a little bit of luck.

I don't think Jonathan Fields would disagree with that, but he has his own take on the subject for our hyper-competitive way of life.

He has written several books, including Career Renegade, How to Make a Great Living Doing What You Love, and Uncertainty, turning fear and doubt into fuel for brilliance.

More recently, he founded the Good Life Project, which offers courses and produces

podcasts and videos for professional and personal growth.

Jonathan Fields, welcome to Design Matters.

It's fantastic to be here with you.

So, Jonathan, when you were in high school, I understand that your Latin teacher smuggled

books of poetry into the class that the administration deemed to pornographic to include

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