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The Owen Jones Podcast

Johnson and Starmer in Crisis?

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2022

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

The Tories took a battering in the local elections, losing even more seats than they feared, including nearly collapsing as a political force in London, as well as suffering a drubbing across the South. Has a cost-of-living crisis and a scandal-ridden Conservative government defined by deceit and corruption finally collided with electoral reality?


But there is little cheer for Labour here: outside of the capital, the party's support has fallen in England compared to 2018, and important wins - like Wandsworth and Westminster - have been eclipsed by losses elsewhere, leading to few net gains in England. Labour's strong showing in Wales is surely something for popular Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford to take the credit for. With Keir Starmer - who bet the house on partygate - now under police investigation, how much of a mess are both the Tories and Labour in?


We are joined by Britain's pre-eminent psephologist Sir John Curtice, and then journalist Paul Mason and Novara Media's Michael Walker to discuss the political situation.


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0:00.0

Good afternoon, everyone. A very, very sunny afternoon. So it's been quite the week. We've had,

0:12.8

of course, the local elections. Now, the Tories took a battering, I think that's important to say.

0:18.9

It was on the worst end of what they privately predicted, despite attempts and the telegraph to

0:24.0

suggest they were on course, to lose many more hundreds of seats than they actually did. That was

0:28.4

never going to happen, but they still took an absolute battering. Question is, did Labour make

0:34.5

enough progress to be comfortable, for example, forming at least a minority government in the event

0:39.8

of a hung parliament, let alone a majority? But it isn't all, of course, it hasn't all been about

0:45.8

the local elections. On the day of the local election results coming through, the so-called bigate

0:51.5

scandal, which I have to say people like myself dismissed that of hand, appeared to engulf the

0:57.0

Labour leadership. So we're going to be talking about the latest on that, the latest revelations,

1:01.9

what does it all mean, is Keir Starmer in a lot of trouble. But more broadly, does he have a

1:06.6

shot at becoming Labour leader? We'll talk about the kind of internal wrangling of the Labour pie.

1:11.6

That's what we like to do on the left. So later on, we'll be joined by Michael Walker from

1:15.2

Navara and, of course, the journalist Paul Mason to offer, I think, different perspectives on what

1:21.4

next for the Labour party. Now, what I'm going to do is bring in first, because we don't have him

1:27.2

for long, and we're very lucky to have him, the brilliant, of course, I can't say sociologists,

1:31.3

can I, John? Just a John Curtis, how do I pronounce sociologists? I can't do it.

1:36.0

It's a sociologist, it's why you need to have had an education in the classics and then it's

1:42.4

going forward. So that's what's ever in green. What the first person to tell myself to get a bit more

1:48.2

educated than you won't be the last. John, obviously, very familiar on our screens during every

1:55.4

election period, in particular, let's just have a look quickly at where things now stand, because

2:00.8

I saw your analysis throughout the night on the low collections, as I'm sure many people did.

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