And now the moment with Brian Coppelman.

Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Coppelman.

Thanks for listening.

John Heilaman is going to be here soon.

If there's other than Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein,

if there's a more important and famous political journalist walking the earth right now I don't know who that is.

And calling Hilemon just a political journalist is selling him short.

He is a regular presence on television.

He and his partner, writing partner Mark Halperin. Together they wrote. Partner,

writing partner Mark Halperin, together they wrote the enormous hit books,

game change, and double down.

Have recently made a deal with Bloomberg to launch their own political journalism

like network. I think I'm not sure exactly what the thing is it's amorphous to me but it won't be once John gets here

He is one of the most interesting

opinionated and

Absolutely one of the smartest guys that I know.

Over the past few years we've spent a good amount of time together and sometimes I'll be sitting

at dinner with a group of people and I'll just sit back and watch the way

Hileman is processing everything that goes on in the room and it's really a thing to behold.

And I want to talk to him about how he developed his

faculty to both participate and observe and record and I want to talk to him

about how he got here because he wasn't always a political journalist.

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