This is the Jocko Underground podcast number 195 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink.

We have various questions from the troopers, the members of the underground.

And we are going to provide guidance, suggestions, recommendations, courses of actions,

and in some cases, some cases answers to your

questions let's get into it we're getting through this maze of life maze of life

it can be a maze yeah sometimes take a wrong term sometimes somebody knows to

tell you go left go right go straight right good turn around go back right don't go any

further down that particular path go Go down this other path,

the path of discipline. Sometimes you can take one, two, three, four wrong turns and it takes

more than just one correction, maybe two, maybe three corrections, you know what I'm saying? Can happen.

That's what we're here for. All right. What do we got? First question. Hello, Mr. Willing.

My company buys in fully to extreme ownership. I have a question for you tied to cover and move. Is there ever a time in your

experience that covering and moving becomes ineffective in the wrong move? Like if you help your team,

your teammate, but they are inherently toxic and their involvement

in most things are negatively affecting work.

Or is that any conceivable, or is that any conceivable scenario that cover and move

is not the right call?

Yes.

Of course, anything that you do to an extreme can make it bad and this is why we wrote the

dichotomy of leadership because because we wanted to make sure that everyone understood that

and this includes it includes taking ownership even the idea of taking ownership if you take that

to an extreme and i'm going to own every plan i'm going to own every decision and now echo that works for me and my hierarchy, he now has no input because I'm taking

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