This is Jocko podcast number 521 with Echo Charles and me.

Jocker Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

Discipline wins wars.

Are you aware of this?

I could connect those dots for sure.

I think we've been talking about it for about 10 years here.

I understand.

Discipline wins wars and not just the wars, the actual wars that are fought on the battlefield,

but also the wars that are fought in your head every day.

Discipline is required in order to achieve victory.

Discipline is required in order to achieve freedom and there's nothing

new by the way this has been around this is as old as history we know that

discipline is what we need and yet even with that even even though everybody

knows discipline is what we need it can still be difficult for people to process.

And it certainly can be difficult for people

to implement it in their own lives.

You know that saying, do what I say, not what I do?

That's a thing where it's like, it's easy for me to impose discipline on you. Yeah. Be like, echo, you need to get up early. Echo, you need to work out. Echo, you need to not eat donuts. Yeah. But I actually have a saying. Yeah. Which is do what I say. Yeah. Not what I do. Because I'm over here sleeping and not lifting and eating donuts.

And so they have a saying to remedy that or try and put some pressure on individuals, because

it's harder for us to impose discipline on ourselves than it is for us to impose discipline

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