This is Jocco Underground Podcast number 41 with Echo Charles sitting here across from me.

I'm Draco Willink.

So there's a little something to talk about. The idea of thinking I'm wrong.

Like if you and I are gonna have a conversation and I go into the conversation thinking hmm, I could be wrong.

What does that do? I'll tell you something extremely positive that happens and this is how I go into conversations.

I go into conversations thinking, hey, you know, uh, Echo's got a plan for doing something. I've got a plan for doing something.

I'm probably wrong. Echo's ideas probably right. So cool. Let's have a conversation and he can prove that he's right.

And show me how he's right and I'll I'm okay with being wrong. So what does that do? It opens my mind.

Oh, it's my mind. Now does this mean I blindly say yes, Echo's right and I'm wrong. No, no, no, I might ask you some earnest questions,

but I'm not going to get hostile about it. I'm not going to get get aggro about it. I'm going to kind of, you know, be okay.

Now where people might get concerned about this is then you think, oh, well, if I'm going into a conversation thinking,

uh, I'm wrong. Then I don't have any confidence. No, I'm sorry. As soon as he says something, I'm just going to shut down. No, here's where there's, here's we have to, here's we have to open your mind a little bit.

If you go in with an attitude of, hey, I'm probably wrong. It actually increases your confidence, oddly enough, because it's almost like going into a game or a grappling match where you know you're going to lose.

Now look, you go in your, you could have, let's say you were a 10 time, well, let's say you were a 10 time world champion in Jiu Jitsu, and I was a purple belt. You are black belt, 10 time world champion, and you and I were going to scrap.

I could go in like, oh, I'm going to get beat and that could hurt my confidence. All right, I can go in like, hey, man, this guy's a world champion, 10 times, and he's a black belt, and I'm only a purple belt.

I'm going to go in there and try and learn some stuff. I'm keeping open mind, watch what he does, and I kind of have nothing to lose. So if I want to throw a move out there, I can do it. And if he gets shut down, I get tapped out. It's not that big of a deal.

Yeah.

If you, so, so that's the attitude that will make you able to think and accept other ideas more is to go in there with an attitude not of like, he's going to destroy me and I'm horrible.

But like, hey, I can go in there, take some risks, listen, learn some moves, pay attention, and that's okay. And I'm not a loser because of it.

When you see a, you know, like someone steps up and wait class, Jeff Glover steps up and wait class and goes up against a big monster guy.

That's equivalent level. So the guy has a huge advantage, and then Jeff gets beat.

Do you go, man, what a loser. No, you freaking, you give respect because he rolled the dice and he stepped in there and he got beaten. It's no big deal.

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