Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast.

I'm Michael Jervay.

And the idea behind these conversations

is to sit down with people who are on the path of mastery,

to better understand what they're searching for,

to understand their unique psychological framework,

and how they understand how they've become.

And in particular, we want to understand

the unique mental skills that they're working to develop,

why they've chosen those skills,

and how they're working to build and refine their craft

by using those mental skills.

Okay, we're interested in those robust, those sturdy practices that they use.

Not kind of, we're not interested in hacks and tricks and tips.

We're not interested in that.

We're interested in like how they think and how they develop. And with that in mind like these conversations

they're just rich they're long form they're really nuanced they're full of

context with twists and turns to try to get to the center of the psychological framework.

And if you're like me, and you enjoy taking a second pass at these conversations,

just because they're applied, they're thought-provoking,

and they're inspiring ways about thinking maybe differently. And so because of that

and because of the calling that you've asked for, we fired up a second podcast called

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