Hey, best ever listeners. This is Ash Patel coming to you live from the best ever conference in Salt Lake City.

Ton, this is best ever conference number 10. I'm here with my co-host, Tan Trong. 10 years they've been doing this.

10 whole years. That's a decade of love, people. A decade of just pure networking and pure energy. It's amazing out here. So best ever listeners, if you don't know, Tan Trong, him and I have been friends for a lot of years. We're partners. I love the guy. He lives in Cincinnati. We're really good family friends. And, Tan, today we've got a great guest here. We've got Matt McGovern,

and he's got a great story. What do you think about him? I don't know, man. I met him for like

three hours last night, and Homeboy is awesome. I cannot speak any higher of anybody that I've

meet in a four-hour time span. This guy is going to drop some bombs on you guys today. It's going to be amazing.

All right, Matt, give the best ever listeners your background. That is some best ever love right

there. And we did have a good time last night. My background, let's see, from northeast Kansas,

about an hour west of Kansas City, the state capital of Topeka. My background grew up in construction.

Carpenter went to law school for some reason that probably we can't get into on this podcast,

but it was a bet from my old man and he won. So I went. Was a commercial attorney, real estate and

contract law for three years. And I am back in construction now in a management capacity at a company, a general contractor

and an industrial millwright contractor in Topeka.

You can get your kids to go to law school by making a bet with them?

There was a lot of beer drink that night, too.

So it was, it was, my old man always gave me the best advice and wanted the best for me. And it,

it's really changed my life. It was very, very good. All right. So you entered into the world of

commercial real estate as a lawyer. And you probably saw a lot of investments. Did that entice you

to go on the other side and get on the investment side of things?

Very, very much so. In that commercial, the private legal practice, I ran into so many things.

I think I mentioned this. It was all a contract and real estate related. So many transactional things,

a lot of litigation too, but so many transactional things that kind of blew my mind.

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