Jesus, Paul, and the Law: Friends or Foes?
The Esau McCaulley Podcast
Esau McCaulley
5.0 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Esau is joined by New Testament scholar Paul Sloan to talk about his new book Jesus and the Law of Moses. They dig into big questions: Did Jesus and Paul disagree about the law? Did Jesus expect his Jewish followers to keep Torah? What about Gentiles? And what if our picture of the Pharisees as strict legalists is all wrong? Plus, they dive into the debate on whether we're expected to follow the commands in the Sermon on the Mount, or if it's merely supposed to show us our need for grace. Plus, old tech and old athletes.
0:00 - Theme Song
2:22 - AOL Just Got Canned?
6:20 - Do We Treat Hymns Like AOL?
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19:22 - Is the Law Here to Make Us Want Grace?
26:40 - Jesus and Ritual Purity
41:44 - End Credits
Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel Within First-Century Judaism by Paul T. Sloan: https://a.co/d/5gnNBBQ
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everybody, welcome to the Esau McCauley podcast. |
| 0:09.0 | I'm your host, Esau McCauley. |
| 0:10.5 | We're joined by our producer, Mike. |
| 0:12.0 | Hey, Mike, is good to see you. |
| 0:13.0 | Good to see you too, Esau. |
| 0:14.0 | And we're joined by Paul, who's supposed to be a New Testament professor. |
| 0:17.0 | Sorry, Paul Sloan, who's supposed to be a New Testament professor at |
| 0:21.0 | Houston Christian University, but for those of you who are watching on the video, it looks |
| 0:25.3 | like he owns four books. |
| 0:26.9 | So I want to ask you, Paul, since you're coming on to the podcast as a New Testament scholar, |
| 0:34.3 | where are your books, Paul? |
| 0:36.5 | No, this is a, that's actually a fair question. |
| 0:38.4 | I thought about bringing some just to have the ornamental candy. |
| 0:42.2 | I'm also the teaching pastor of a church. |
| 0:44.1 | Oh, okay. |
| 0:44.9 | So you need to prepare for your sermons nor your class. |
| 0:47.4 | You're just going straight Bible with people. |
| 0:50.0 | Yeah, that's right. |
| 0:50.7 | And so this is my, this is the office they gave me at the church that I use. |
| 0:55.1 | Oh, okay. Pretty rarely. So, um, I like it. You know, I think Paul doesn't feel like he needs to show how smart he is with all these books. So maybe he's just, are you saying so like when I have the studio, it has to have all the books and the background is my own insecurity. That's fair. People who don't know you, you are, do you have a title at Houston Christian University? |
| 1:16.3 | I do. |
| 1:17.2 | I'm the chair of the department, so chair of theology. |
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