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The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Make America Forgetful Again?

The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Esau McCaulley

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

5.01.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Recently, Donald Trump criticized the Smithsonian for focusing too much on slavery, insisting that America's history should be more "positive" and less "woke." But can we really tell the story of America without telling the story of human bondage? Esau and Justin Giboney dig into the politics of memory, the temptation to idolize America, and why Christians in particular must insist on telling the truth about our history, both the glory and the shame. Plus, the myth of cancel culture from Paula Deen to Colin Kaepernick, Cracker Barrel outrage, and should we all be corny like Russel Wilson?

 

0:00 - Theme Song

 

1:33 - Who gets called "Corny?" Why Russell Wilson?

 

8:05 - Trump on Smithsonian and Slavery

 

25:40 - They're rich, travel, and love to complain

 

33:10 - Self-Help Makes You a Jerk?

 

43:02 - End Credits

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Esau McCauley Show.

0:08.1

I'm your host, Issa McCauley.

0:10.1

We're blessed to have back on the podcast.

0:12.4

Me?

0:13.3

No, actually.

0:14.1

I was talking.

0:14.5

Oh.

0:15.1

Can I finish?

0:15.7

I just thought you were clearly talking about Mike's back.

0:19.8

Can I finish the point?

0:20.4

I was going to say, Justin, sometimes I was, I read the, we have Justin Gibney of the end campaign on the podcast and I was going to say to Justin, I've been, there are people in the comments. There's people who are leaving reviews who are saying they love it when you're on. So you have a whole Gibney hive over there. So we want to let you know that people are loving you. They like what you do on the podcast. Thank you for coming back, Justin. I'm glad to be here. Surprise that I got asked back, but I always honored. Thank you. I was going to say the same thing about Mike. Had you just given me another 15 seconds. There are people who are also saying on the reviews, so they like you too. So this is like, we're gonna try because people think that, like, I'm being me to. As a matter of fact, this is actually true. My wife, we were driving to go pick up my daughter from like a dance at the other day. And my daughter says, we should actually invite Mike and his wife over for dinner. I was like, really? Like, yeah, so it's going to happen. Okay. You're going to have a report back on the podcast about how Dennis was at the McCauley House. I can't wait. Now, we're going to open up the show. We haven't actually done a good sports non-Lebron James story. So we're going to, people say, I'll talk about LeBron James and Denzel Washington too much.

1:30.7

So no LeBron, no Denzel.

1:33.4

We're going to have a section of Holy Post dedicated to that NFL superstar that everybody

1:39.0

comes to Christian podcast to hear about Russell Wilson.

1:42.0

Because I saw a tweet that Justin gave because he his wife

1:46.2

Sierra did an interview on the breakfast club. Do you tell us about what you said about that?

1:51.3

Why you decided to respond to it? Yeah, so Sierra's on the breakfast club. As some of you probably

1:56.1

know, she's an R&B singer married to Russell Wilson. And for our non-black listeners, who is the breakfast club? They might not know who that is. If it's not the movie. I assumed it was the cast from the movie. Is it not? No, this is not the cast of it. It's a very popular urban radio, the most popular, I'm guessing, an urban radio show. Okay, go ahead. So Charlemagne, the guy, all those guys. So anyway, Charlemagne asked her, like, what do you have to say about people that say he's corny? There's a long story about this. She was dating a rapper named Future. Then she went and got married to Russell Wilson. So there was this big, kind of like tension. There was a big contrast between the two men she was with, right?

2:34.7

So Russell Wilson gets labeled as this corny, you know, corny guy.

2:37.9

And this isn't the first time it's been said.

2:40.0

My commentary was this.

2:41.2

My tweet was this.

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