Hello, my name is Issa McCauley. I'm the host of the Esau McCauley podcast. Today, we're joined by our producer, Mike.

Hey, Issa. And we're blessed enough to have not one guest, which is our norm, but two guests. First, we have Sherman. I would say your name wrong. It's McMahon. First you have Sharon McMan. I know, I know it's McMahon, but my brain wants to say something else. First, we have Sharon McMahon, the author of the New York Times bestselling, the small and the mighty, and the editor-in-chief of the preamble. Is that correct? That's right. Thanks for having me. And we have Justin

Gibney, the president of the end campaign and the author of the forthcoming book, Don't Let Nobody

Turn You Around, for which I was blessed to be able to write the fore. Now, for those of you who are

listening to the podcast, you probably will ask, why is Esau dressed like this? It is not because

I've decided I wanted to be the next Walter Concrete. But you do look at it. Thank you. But it's because I just got out of class and I rode my bike here and I actually teach in a shirt and tie like a Neanderthal. And so you had to deal with a slightly more dressed up version of me. Is that okay? Just, I mean, Do that okay? Yeah. It's okay? I know you don't have a time, so I feel like it's okay? Yeah, it's good.

I mean, is that okay? It's okay? I know you don't have a tie,

so I feel like it's okay. Yeah, it's good. I mean, you made me look bad, but it's fine. I should

have sent you a message. Yeah, we could have been tie buddies. Today on the podcast, we will probably

spend most of our time talking a little bit about a relatively heavy topic that's kind of rumbling through our

Republic. And that is the assassination of Charlie Kirk yesterday while he was engaging in a

debate in a college in Utah. And that incident in the aftermath of his death, there's just

spurred a lot that's going on in

the country. And I want to bring in two respected political analysts to give us some context.

So first, I'm going to ask if it's okay, Sharon, America's government teacher. Can you put

like the current political violence in context? I know it might be hard to say in like a minute or two,

can you give us a history of political violence in the United States? Well, I mean, I think it's

important to point out the political violence in the United States is not new. And as much as we all

want to say, like, this is not an America that I want to live in. And I share that sentiment.

Violence has always existed in the United States.

People used to, you know, the foundations of the Republic are rooted in violence, of course.

But for hundreds of years, people were extrajudicially lynched, and people would take their

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