Jefferson Fisher on How to Have Difficult Conversations

The Russell Moore Show

Christianity Today, Russell Moore

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 • 914 Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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How do you handle conflict? If you said “not well,” let conversation expert Jefferson Fisher offer you practical tips for navigating difficult conversation. And there’s good news: if you’re afraid of conflict, you don’t have to be. Jefferson Fisher is an attorney, author, and a bonafide conversation expert. His videos–about conversation and communication–serve an audience of over 6 million on Instagram, and 1 million on TikTok. And for good reason: Fisher’s ease of conversation and human psychology in communication provides opportunities for everyone to learn how to talk to each other better with more honesty and curiosity. Russell and Jefferson also make the connection that Jesus himself–who asks questions, answers slowly, and speaks with assured calmness–provides excellent examples of engaging in effective conversation in controversy. Get ready to make notes, because this conversation will provide you with heaps of practical takeaways for immediate application. Including how to be a safe person for your children to turn to, what to say in times of marital conflict, and how to effectively set boundaries without shutting down a conversation. If you’ve ever thought that you’re not good at having difficult conversations, you might be emboldened to try it out after you listen to this episode. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: The Next Conversation by Jefferson Fisher — Keep up with Russell: Sign up for the weekly newsletter where Russell shares thoughtful takes on big questions, offers a Christian perspective on life, and recommends books and music he's enjoying. Submit a question for the show. Subscribe to the Christianity Today Magazine: Special offer for listeners of The Russell Moore Show: Click here for 25% off a subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	This episode is brought to you in part by The Apologetics Guy Show, the podcast that helps
0:07.1	you find clear answers to tough questions about Christianity. Learn to explain your faith with
0:12.5	courage and compassion. Join Moody Bible Institute professor Dr. Mikhail del Rosario at
0:18.7	apologeticsky guy.com.
0:28.2	I teach that when you go into arguments, difficult conversations, have something to learn,
0:29.6	not something to prove.
0:35.1	Having something to learn says, huh, I wonder why they're saying that.
0:37.0	I wonder where this is coming from.
0:43.7	Hello, this is Russell Moore, and this is the Russell Moore show brought to you by Christianity today.
0:44.5	Here, we look for signposts in a strange time by standing fast to what really matters.
0:51.3	Kingdom over culture wars, truth over tribalism, pilgrimage over partisanship,
0:56.3	sanity over cynicism, witness over winning, and Christ over everything. Today we have a conversation
1:02.8	to do just that. You know, we have talked about algorithms on this show and about how much damage they can do to toxic polarization, but sometimes algorithms can do some good things. And one of those was to recommend some time ago a video from our guest today, Jefferson Fisher, and ever since I watch
1:31.0	everything that he puts out, and I genuinely learn from it. I mean, how many things can you
1:36.0	genuinely learn on Instagram? And so I was thrilled to know that he has a new book out called
1:43.0	The Next Conversation, How to Find Peaceful Resolutions
1:46.9	and Meaningful Connections in a Toxic World, teaching us how to communicate with control,
1:53.8	confidence, and connection. His name is Jefferson Fisher. He's a trial lawyer, speaker,
1:59.0	best-selling author, and he lives in Beaumont, Texas with his wife and children.
2:05.0	Jefferson, thanks for being with us today.
2:06.9	Thank you so much for having me.
2:08.3	I'm honored to be here.
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