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The Russell Moore Show

Nicholas Carr on Building Attention in a Digital Age

The Russell Moore Show

Christianity Today, Russell Moore

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 • 914 Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Doomscrolling, algorithms, artificial intelligence—these concepts have become so familiar to us and such a part of our everyday monotony that they’ve become jokes. But Nicholas Carr isn’t laughing.  Carr’s work in tech journalism has given him a front-row seat to watch the shift of culture around technology over the last decade. His recent book, Superbloom: How Technologies of Connection Tear Us Apart, explores his observations—and the news isn’t great. Online platforms and algorithms seem to know us better than our churches, families, or friends do—especially when the products we glanced at for a fleeting moment now fill our timelines and social media feeds. But we already knew that, right?  And still we face obstacles to capture our own conscious minds. Carr’s work is a call for a cultural revolution to reclaim the human experience from the clutches of technology. Especially when what’s at stake is the understanding of community, which finds its roots in the ability to focus to form empathy for others. This conversation shines a light on the profound need for deeper connections and the importance of attention in fostering meaningful relationships. Moore and Carr also talk about the mirage of screens as socialization, an AI priest (whose story doesn’t end well), positive outcomes from machines and technology (gasp! Is it possible?), and the way separating from technology might feel an awful lot like excommunication.  If you need to be emboldened to cut your screen time or make a change in the way you use technology for your sake and the sake of future generations, this conversation may be the thing you need. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: Superbloom: How Technologies of Connection Tear Us Apart by Nicholas Carr “The Vacation” Wendell Berry poem The Empathy Diaries by Sherry Turkle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:11.1

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0:14.5

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0:22.7

We need to excommunicate ourselves in a way from the religion of technology and get back to

0:29.0

the deeper human qualities that really are essential to thriving and to living a life that

0:34.8

feels satisfactory and fulfilling.

0:44.3

Hello, this is Russell Moore, and this is the Russell Moore Show, brought to you by Christianity Today. Here, we look for signposts in a strange time by standing fast to what really matters.

0:51.3

Kingdom over culture wars, truth over tribalism, pilgrimage over partisanship,

0:56.4

sanity over cynicism, witness over winning, and Christ over everything. Today we have a conversation

1:02.9

to do just that.

1:10.4

Nicholas Carr has had a great influence on the way I have thought over the past several years about technology.

1:17.6

And his newest book is no exception to that.

1:20.9

Super Bloom, How the Technologies of Connection Tear Us Apart.

1:25.2

He previously wrote a book called The Shallows that really set the

1:29.1

conversation about what search engine technology and other digital technologies are doing to our

1:36.0

brains. And is Google making us dumber or smarter? He writes for the Atlantic New York Times and the

1:42.7

Wall Street Journal. And this book is taking on questions of the kind of digital technology that we're in the middle of as well as the sorts of technologies we are headed toward, which is why I think it's so important for everybody.

1:59.6

And I think particularly for Christians who are

2:03.0

worried about what fracturing community looks like and what even the question of what it means

2:08.1

to be human looks like. Nicholas Carr, thanks for being with us today.

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It's my pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.

2:14.1

I was struck as I was reading your book where you talked about the kinds of metaphor that

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