Hi, I have a very special guest with me today.

A net Gordon read is the Carl M. Loeb University professor

at Harvard, well-known for changing the narrative

on Thomas Jefferson regarding his relationship

with Sally Hemings and their children.

Recipient of the Pulitzer Prize in History in 2009

and the National Book Award in 2008

for her book The Hemings of Monticello

an American Family.

In 2010, she received the National Humanities Medal

and a MacArthur Fellowship.

And her most recent book is Juneteenth.

And net Gordon read, thank you so much.

It's truly an honor to speak with you.

Glad to be here.

Thank you for inviting me.

You know, I don't know if it was Emerson or Jefferson

because I've heard it attributed to both

and you probably can tell me who said that every institution

is but a shadow cast by its founder.

Was that Jefferson or was that Emerson?

That sounds like Emerson.

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