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The Lawfare Podcast

Jeff Kosseff on the Fight Against Online Child Pornography

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2021

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Private entities—in particular, technology giants like internet service providers, email services and social networks—play a vital role in helping law enforcement fight child pornography online. But the involvement of private entities does not eliminate the Fourth Amendment issues that come with electronic surveillance. In fact, the more the private entities cooperate with the government, the more likely it is that courts will consider them government agents, and the evidence they collect will be subject to the same Fourth Amendment restrictions as apply to law enforcement agencies. Jeff Kosseff is an assistant professor at the United States Naval Academy's Cyber Science Department. As part of Lawfare's ongoing Digital Social Contract research paper series, he published a paper entitled, "Online Service Providers and the Fight Against Child Exploitation: The Fourth Amendment Agency Dilemma." Alan Rozenshtein spoke with Jeff about how the government and internet companies can thread the needle on fighting digital child exploitation without running afoul of the Constitution.

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Next issue is going to be whether the government had a warrant to conduct the search,

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and there's various exceptions that could be fact specific,

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but a warrant supported by a public cause.

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Now, I mean, in the way that this system is currently operating,

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where all of the content is automatically scanned,

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it's impossible to imagine a case where we'd be able to get a warrant to conduct this.

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So that's why if it were the government that were conducting the scanning,

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and doing this to obtain information about people on the possible prosecute them,

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that would eventually be most likely to the suppression of that evidence under the exclusionary law.

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I'm Alan Rosenstein, and this is the LawFair podcast, January 20, 2021.

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Private entities, in particular technology giants like Internet Service Providers,

1:33.0

email services, and social networks play a vital role in helping law enforcement fight child pornography online.

1:39.0

But the involvement of private entities does not eliminate the fourth amendment issues

1:43.0

that come with electronic surveillance.

1:45.0

In fact, the more that private entities cooperate with the government,

1:48.0

the more likely it is that courts will consider them government agents,

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