Dan Hemel and Gerard Magliocca on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment
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🗓️ 19 January 2021
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
In the wake of the January 6 mob attack on the Capitol, some have called for the invocation of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Section 3 disqualifies anyone who has engaged in rebellion or insurrection against United States from public office. In particular, critics of President Trump have seized on this as a potential way of preventing him from running in 2024. Alan Rozenshtein spoke about Section 3 with professors Daniel Hemel of the University of Chicago Law School and Gerard Magliocca of the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | Is incitement of insurrection the same thing as engaging in insurrection? |
| 0:38.8 | There was a law in 1862 that made it a crime to incite or engage in insurrection, which |
| 0:44.8 | might be read to suggest that the 1860s Congress viewed incitement and engaging as separate |
| 0:51.9 | things. |
| 0:52.9 | We're not certainly behaved irresponsibly toward the insurrection. |
| 0:56.9 | I think we even incited it, but if we look at the instances from the late 1860s where |
| 1:06.6 | Congress excluded members who by their words had participated in the Confederacy, they |
| 1:13.0 | had said things that were far more noxious than what Trump said. |
| 1:17.0 | They had said we should hang Abraham Lincoln or any Union soldier from Kentucky ought to |
| 1:23.4 | be shocked, whereas Trump said that the rally would be wild and that his supporters should |
| 1:29.7 | fight, but he didn't use the language as clearly violent as some of the late 1860s potential |
| 1:37.0 | members of Congress who were excluded. |
| 1:40.6 | I'm Alan Rosenstein and this is the Law Fair Podcast January 19, 2021. |
| 1:47.5 | In the wake of the January 6th mob attack on the Capitol, some have called for the invocation |
| 1:52.5 | of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. |
| 1:55.8 | Section 3 disqualifies anyone who has engaged in rebellion or insurrection against the United |
| 2:00.0 | States from public office. |
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