Jan. 6 Then & Now: The Insurrection Blueprint (with Tom Joscelyn)
The Oath and The Office
Corey Brettschneider
4.9 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 29 January 2026
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
Hosts Corey Brettschneider and John Fugelsang are joined by Tom Joscelyn—senior House Judiciary staff and a principal author of the House January 6 Committee’s final report—for a deep dive into the pressure campaign on Mike Pence, the false-electors plot, and why white supremacy and Christian nationalism were central to the attempt to overturn the election. Most importantly: how that same playbook is reappearing right now—and what it means for the rule of law.
Before Tom joins, Corey and John break down the week’s accountability flashpoints:
- The killing of a Minnesota nurse—and the competing public narratives and misinformation surrounding it
- The growing wave of court pushback and legal scrutiny aimed at ICE tactics in Minnesota
- Where the politics stand on defunding ICE—and what real oversight would require
- DOJ’s move to file criminal complaints tied to the St. Paul church protest, plus the magistrate judge’s refusal to approve a warrant prosecutors sought (including an attempt involving Don Lemon)
- A reported memo directing ICE agents to proceed with operations—including entry onto private property—regardless of warrants or legal standing, and what that means for constitutional rights
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to another episode of The Oath and the Office. I'm John Fugles-Sang, so pleased to be with you, and so pleased to welcome the professor, the author, Corey Brett Schneider, who I have read |
| 0:22.2 | for years in the New York Times in MSNBC, and I read the oath in the office, and I read |
| 0:26.5 | the presidents and the people, and now I get to do a podcast with them. Professor, it's good |
| 0:30.0 | to see you. |
| 0:31.0 | Thanks, John, and it's been a real pleasure doing this with you, and we have quite a show |
| 0:36.1 | today. Of course, we're going to talk about |
| 0:37.7 | the horror that ICE is inflicting on Minnesota, on the attempts to fight back in the hopeful ways |
| 0:44.5 | in which people are fighting back in the courts and through protest. And then, of course, we have a |
| 0:48.8 | guest. I think it's going to be one of our most important episodes, literally the author of the January 6th report, |
| 0:57.1 | senior staff to the January 6th committee. And it's just the person who really knows the most |
| 1:02.3 | about the details of what unfolded on January 6th, the truth of what happened. And I also want to |
| 1:07.6 | ask them, too, about, well, part of it, about how we correct the record, |
| 1:12.1 | because it's really a history that's being written by Trump and his cronies to undermine what really happened. |
| 1:18.7 | I can't wait for it. I'm really pleased. |
| 1:21.3 | Let's talk about what's going on now. |
| 1:23.7 | Saturday, federal agents killed another Minnesotan shooting a VA ICU nurse named Alex |
| 1:29.3 | Preti seven to ten times, we're not sure yet. |
| 1:32.4 | After wrestling him to the ground as abduing him, he was filming ICE agents, which is legal in |
| 1:36.1 | all 50 states, and tackled after helping another woman off the ground. |
| 1:40.5 | Now, for those who saw the video, they didn't kill him while he was committing a crime. |
| 1:44.7 | They didn't kill him while he was threatening civilians or while he was fleeing or brandishing |
| 1:49.0 | a weapon, nor was he protesting, nor was he interfering with law enforcement. |
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