Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to

talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go

deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, focusing less on music than you

are on merchandise e-commerce, or else a scrappy upstart, focusing entirely on music with an online

store that looks like it was built on a GeoCities page, this is your show. Because ultimately, it is what every writer

seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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