Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop, I'm your host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on the process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran

selling VIP packages to your gig at a winery

or else a scrappy upstart,

running into fans on the smoking balcony of the rock show,

this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the fourth Friday of October 2021, and I thank you for joining us.

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