This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie, where I go deep with the artist,

activists, entrepreneurs, policymakers, and visionaries who are making the world a more libertarian,

or at least a more interesting place, by challenging worn out ideas and orthodoxies.

My guest today is Jake Tapper, the host of The Lead on CNN,

and author of the new book,

Race Against Terror, chasing an Al-Qaeda killer at the dawn of the Forever War.

We talk about why it matters that Donald Trump is following Barack Obama's lead in trying

terrorists in criminal courts rather than military tribunals, how the Trump administration is unleashing

an all-out offense against journalists critical of the president and what the legacy media got way

wrong with Joe Biden and COVID and what they are missing when it comes to the Oval Office's

current occupant. Here is the Reason interview with Jake Tapper.

Jake Tapper, thanks for talking to Reason. It's my pleasure. Thanks so much. The new book is

Race Against Terror, Chasing an Al-Qaeda killer at the dawn of the Forever War. We're going to talk

about that. We're going to talk about Trump's attitudes towards the press. We're going to talk a little bit about Joe Biden.

And have we actually digested the debacle that was the final months of the Joe Biden presidency?

But let's talk about race against terror, chasing an al-Qaeda killer at the dawn of the Forever War.

This takes us back 25 years almost to 9-11, Afghanistan, and the beginning of what was called the

global war on terror, the global war on terrorism.

What brought you back to this topic?

Because you've already written about Afghanistan.

So this story is the story of the one and only foreign terrorist that was brought to the U.S.

to be tried in a criminal court for killing service members abroad. I first got interested in the

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