Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Laura Owens, and I'm Jan Black.

Regardless of your political leanings, you may have been fascinated by some of the family

political dynasties in America

over time. The Kennedy and the Bush families come to mind as two of the most recent political

dynasties to capture our attention. And joining us on this episode is bestselling author Jay Randy

Teraborelli, who's written extensively about those families and other people who are household names

in America and around the

world. Randy's latest book is called Grace and Steel, Dorothy, Barbara, Laura, and the Women of

the Bush Dynasty. Randy, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

What is it about the women of the Bush family that captured

your attention? And when did you first begin thinking you wanted to do a book about them?

Well, the idea really sort of goes back a good 22 years to when I interviewed Barbara Bush for

a women's magazine. And I wanted to at that time follow my book

Jackie Ethel and Joan, Women of Camelot, which was about Jackie Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy, and Joan

Kennedy. I wanted to follow that book with a book about Barbara Bush.

When I asked her if she was interested in that, she told me she was at that time writing her autobiography, and she wanted to, you know, just take that project and let that be the final word.

Her husband, H.W., the president, President Bush, told me, you know, let her get that out of her system and then she'll come back to you, right? Well, that book went on to become a bestseller for her and she

never came back to me. So I went on with my career and I, then I wrote about Elizabeth Taylor

and Grace Kelly and Madonna and Michael Jackson

and on and on and on. But a couple of years ago, I wrote a book called Jackie Janet and Lee,

which was about Jackie Kennedy and her mom, Janet Ockincloss and her sister Lee Radzwell.

And that was a, that really was a great success for me. And my readers really enjoyed that

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