Ivan Krastev
The Good Fight
Yascha Mounk
4.7 • 963 Ratings
🗓️ 16 August 2017
⏱️ 43 minutes
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| 0:25.8 | Go to Economist.com and get your first month free. We started fearing the future and there is nothing more self-defeating for democratic society than starting fearing the future. |
| 0:47.0 | And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. |
| 0:53.0 | Welcome to a podcast that searches for the ideas, policies and strategies that can be to |
| 0:58.4 | for a time of populists like Donald Trump over the next four years and the next 40. |
| 1:05.2 | In the 1960s, Martin Nipsett, a really influential local scientist, made the striking observation |
| 1:12.0 | about the political system in Europe and North America. |
| 1:15.8 | The party system he showed had become frozen. |
| 1:19.2 | After a decade of rapid change, it started to look like the same kinds of parties got elected again and again. |
| 1:25.2 | So sometimes the center left party would win office, sometimes they would fall out of favor and the |
| 1:29.4 | center right party would overtake them, but between them they took up a lot of space in the political system, |
| 1:35.8 | the basic members of the political system went changing. |
| 1:39.5 | And that observation held true for the next 40 or so years the party structure really was frozen. |
| 1:47.0 | Well I've been arguing over the last couple of years that it has started to fall, |
| 1:52.0 | that you've started to see the rise of populist parties on the far right and |
| 1:55.7 | also on the far left. But what's happened over the last year is truly striking. The party system isn't just foring, it's, I don't know, boiling. |
| 2:05.0 | Look at Austria, where in the presidential election you had candidates of two minor parties facing off each other in the second round. |
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