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The Good Fight

Jamie Kirchick

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2017

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Yascha Mounk talks to Jamie Kirchick about the rise of dictators and demagogues in Europe, North America, and beyond. How much do far-left populists and far-right populists have in common? And what can we do to stop them? Email: thegoodfight@newamerica.org Twitter: @Yascha_MounkNew America Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Economist provides independent journalism for independent thinking and has been championing progress for almost 200 years.

0:08.0

With the Economist, you gain access to fact-based, deeply researched expert analysis of world events and topics

0:14.3

ranging from business and culture to politics, science and technology.

0:18.2

Tune into the global conversation with reporting from correspondence around the world available in-app online through

0:25.0

podcasts and print so for fact sake search the economist. And if there's a silver lining to Trump, I hope that it's people realize, you know,

0:40.4

it's the importance of American power, but it needs to be guided obviously by someone who isn't Donald Trump

0:50.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:53.0

Welcome to a podcast that searches for the ideas, policies and strategies that can be to the

0:58.3

authoritarian populists like Donald Trump over the next four years and the next 40.

1:04.0

Speaking of beating Donald Trump, I've been thinking about the way in which we talk about 2020.

1:10.0

And just as generals are supposed to always fight the last war, I think that, you know, election

1:16.1

strategists, both professional and armchair like you and me, might be in danger of fighting

1:21.4

the last war again.

1:22.4

Nearly everybody is talking about how do we win back. might be in danger of fighting the last war again.

1:23.0

Nearly everybody is talking about how do we win back the white working class,

1:26.6

which often is basically code for how do we win back Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

1:32.0

There's three states that Hillary Clinton lost by about 80,000

1:35.1

votes because it seems like those are the states we should go back to win.

1:38.9

But I think that there's sort of two forced assumptions in here.

1:42.2

The first forced assumption is that political geography is relatively stable, that it hasn't changed much over time.

1:50.0

But when you look back at the electron map of the United States of the last 200 years,

1:54.0

it changes every time, every election to every election is really much more different when you think.

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