Hello, we've got a great guest today who I'm really proud to have on. It's Andrew Feinstein,

who is the former MP for the African National Congress, obviously in South Africa. He was very active in the struggle

against the great evil of apartheid which fell in 1994 because of struggle both in South Africa but also internationally.

That's a very important point which we're going to return to. Anyway, hello Andrew, good to see you, how you do?

Hi, good, thank you, great to be with you.

Firstly, I just want to talk about you yourself, because I think this is relevant and always interesting.

You were born in Cape Town in a Jewish family and that you have I think

in it's fair to say that's had a big impact on your politics and huge trauma like

so many Jewish people across the world in terms of the horrors

endured by those who came before you. So I just want you if you could tell us a bit about

your family and that conflict. Yeah absolutely So my dad was South African. His family had fled pograms in

Zarist Russia, landed up in South Africa, unexpectedly thought they were being taken to New York.

My mom was actually Austrian. She survived the Second World War in Vienna itself, one of very few Jews to do that.

She was hidden in a coal cellar for three and a half years.

And whenever the Gestapo or the SS were in the area,

she would be rolled up into a carpet

and that would be pushed up against the wall

in case they managed to break in to where they were hiding.

So, and she lost dozens of her family, mainly at Auschwitz, some Tresian Statz as well.

So that history certainly loomed large

as my siblings and I were growing up.

But it also, my mom was very active

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